lilacsigil: Black Widow with sights on her (black widow)
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Thor: The Dark World is the latest Marvel installment, and while it does manage to pass the Bechdel Test, it does not pass it as easily and thoroughly as the previous Thor movie. (It still beats the fail for Avengers, though!)

Jane and Darcy have several scenes together discussing science and plot devices; Frigga and Sif speak briefly, Jane talks to an Asgardian woman about technology, and Frigga and Jane have two short conversations together, both about plot issues.



While Frigga has a much more prominent role in this movie, she mostly speaks to men. Darcy and Sif are less present and while Jane has plenty to do at the start and end of the movie, there is a great long section in the middle where she has absolutely nothing to do except keel over occasionally. Jane's introduction to Asgard was lovely, and there were several places after that where Jane could have been fighting back (whether successfully or not) but through most of that section she functioned pretty much as Sexy Lamp: her role in the plot could have been played by an inanimate object.

As for Frigga's death - I appreciated that she fought and died protecting Jane and Asgard, got a great fight scene, and died bravely, refusing to help the enemy. While there was some focus on her death being the direct cause of the emotional plot with Odin and Thor, and Thor and Loki afterwards, she had well-established relationships earlier in the movie, particularly with Loki. Her funeral was not just her family sitting around having angst, but a regal send-off to all the warriors who had died defending Asgard, appropriate for her status. I am sad at one less female character in the Marvelverse, but at least this branch of the growing movie canon has several other women to carry on.

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Date: 2013-11-04 05:46 am (UTC)
ashen_key: ([MCU] no man am I)
From: [personal profile] ashen_key
Agreed on both Jane and Frigga's death - I was waiting for Jane to try and fight back more (such as when Malekith is pulling the Aether out of her; after she saw his plans, I was expecting her to try and stop him by trying to take it back).

But I really appreciate how Frigga died, and how her funeral showed her very clearly as a Queen of Asgard, and one of many who died.

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Date: 2013-11-04 09:55 am (UTC)
ashen_key: ([MCU] no man am I)
From: [personal profile] ashen_key
That's an excellent way of putting, sigh. And I would have LOVED more Sif, and the fallout for her turning on the people she's fought next to and for, for the sake of the universe. Just....some fallout of what happened next.

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Date: 2013-11-04 09:52 am (UTC)
eleanorjane: The one, the only, Harley Quinn. (Default)
From: [personal profile] eleanorjane
Ditto to all of this. I mean, Jane got handed - on a platter - the powerful weapon Malekith could have destroyed the universe with. I get that it's not meant for mortals, but ...

I dunno. It's interesting, I think, how there are all these tropes around origin stories. If Jane had been intended to be a superhero, this would have been her origin story; because the story thinks she's just a love interest, she just hangs there limply while Malekith pulls the Aether out of her.

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Date: 2013-11-04 09:54 am (UTC)
ashen_key: ([H] doe with her own antlers)
From: [personal profile] ashen_key
....Oh, DAMN, I want that AU now. Jane's origin story. That'd have been so awesome, and given Jane a lot to do in the next movie, or her own.

Dammit.

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Date: 2013-11-04 04:59 pm (UTC)
lonelywalker: A young man in a baseball cap lying on his back, eyes closed, with the text "effort and error, study and love" (M: Judi Dench)
From: [personal profile] lonelywalker
Given the nature of Loki's abilities, plus the ever-present option of flashbacks, I hope for more Frigga in the future (particularly given the huge formative impact she seems to have had on both her boys in different ways).

And I am now envisaging this entire movie being about the adventures of Sexy Lamp.

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Date: 2013-11-17 07:05 pm (UTC)
kshandra: Rachel Maddow points upward. The single word THIS floats above her head. (Rachel - This)
From: [personal profile] kshandra
Saw the movie yesterday; I was very pleased that apart from a couple of dirty looks, they did not go the love-triangle route with Sif once Jane came to Asgard.

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